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Siouxcountry
02-20-2008, 12:04 AM
February 5, 2008

Colette Nelson:

I am doing the MSNBC special with Kristy Hawkins and she is planning on following us both out to Columbus Ohio and film us preparing for the show. It is going to be so exciting. I am looking forward to eveyone's feedback on the show.. it is very personal and inspiring. It really goes intot the psychology of why we like to LOOK the Way we Do! How it makes us feel, etc... How empowering it is as a woman, etc..... I think you will all find it very interesting.LINK (http://colettejournal.blogspot.com/)

Shelly
02-20-2008, 01:45 AM
wow thats interesting and a great idea....

im an msnbc closet junkie:popcorn:

Steph Park
02-20-2008, 03:00 AM
sounds very cool, I hope I get to see it. Colette & Kristy are so awesome.

Siouxcountry
02-20-2008, 03:42 AM
sounds very cool, I hope I get to see it. Colette & Kristy are so awesome.

Welcome, Steph! :waving:

I'll be sure to update this thread when I know more.

Kristy mentioned the following in her blog:

January 10th...

I'm not totally sure when the NBC special will air but probably sometime in late spring depending on any follow-up they do before/during the Arnold.

December 3rd...

So I mentioned in my last post that NBC was going to be filming me for an upcoming piece on female bodybuilders. The producer and crew (one camera person extraordinaire) met me at the gym on Friday morning to catch the end of my back working along with some cardio and posing. Then we came to my apartment (which left me feeling a little invaded but I guess that's part of it), went to the lab for a bit, and did a pretty extensive interview. They also had some footage from one of my Bill Dobbins' shoots last week. Admittedly I was hesitant to participate b/c I'm a very private person but people I respect in the industry assured me that it would be positive for the sport. Ultimately, all I can do is educate people about the sport and what I love about it; the viewers are entitled to form their own opinions on female bodybuilding just like any other subject. So, look for a "Hooked on..." series; I will probably be too embarrassed/nervous to watch it.


LINK (http://kmhawkins.blogspot.com/)

SBT
02-20-2008, 04:03 AM
That sounds like something pretty cool to watch!! :)

dallas3
02-20-2008, 04:31 AM
Should be a good one especially seeing Colette and Kristy in action

IslandGirl
02-20-2008, 04:46 AM
Can't wait to see this!

IslandGirl
02-20-2008, 04:46 AM
sounds very cool, I hope I get to see it. Colette & Kristy are so awesome.

:aloha: Steph! Awesome to have you here!!! Hope to get to know you better!

sassy69
02-20-2008, 06:10 AM
Kristy is certainly a fantastic representative for the sport!

ripitupbaby
02-20-2008, 01:29 PM
Awesome, can't wait!! Kristy is just an amazing woman, a great representative of FBB...this will be really cool!!

And she's wearing Maggie's suits for the Arnold too. :awesome:

Alli
02-20-2008, 02:02 PM
Wow AWESOME! I've been addicted to MSNBC cause of the politics hehe (i'm a closet politic lover) but the change in viewing would be awesome! And I'd love to see something on women's bodybuilding in the mainstream!

Steph Park
02-21-2008, 12:36 AM
:aloha: Steph! Awesome to have you here!!! Hope to get to know you better!

Hi Tracy, thanks for the welcome. Hope to get to know you better as well.

dallas3
02-22-2008, 05:57 PM
I just remembered, didn't Colette do a special similar to this a few years ago? I remember seeing her going through contest prep and it was earlier in her career cause she wasn't as established as she is now. I'll have to see if I can find a video of it.

Siouxcountry
08-07-2008, 09:23 PM
The show is going to air this Sunday................

Kristy Hawkins just gave us the word: “So this is the footage and interview they shot of me after the nationals and a little during the Arnold Classic. “'HOOKED: Muscle Women' will hit the airwaves this Sunday night at 10 (PT) on MSNBC.

Anyone who can record it please do as I myself don’t have cable and would love to see our Big K on this program!

http://genexmagazine.blogspot.com/2008/08/hooked-muscle-women-airs-this-sunday.html

MsGuns
08-07-2008, 09:39 PM
The show is going to air this Sunday................



http://genexmagazine.blogspot.com/2008/08/hooked-muscle-women-airs-this-sunday.html

Does that mean 8 Texas time?

Siouxcountry
08-07-2008, 09:41 PM
Does that mean 8 Texas time?

Midnight.

MsGuns
08-07-2008, 09:55 PM
Midnight.

My bad...I went the wrong way as usual...lol

Femphysiquefan
08-07-2008, 10:21 PM
The show is going to air this Sunday................



http://genexmagazine.blogspot.com/2008/08/hooked-muscle-women-airs-this-sunday.html

I hope that it's a fairly positive perspective on FBB or at least a balanced presentation, but in general the word "hooked" doesn't exactly carry with it a positive connotation. Here's hoping I'm wrong about that in this case!! :o :popcorn:

Siouxcountry
08-08-2008, 02:28 AM
My bad...I went the wrong way as usual...lol

I'm not positive when it will air Sunday evening. Be sure to check your local MSNBC Station.

It will also air Friday Aug 15th.

More info:


Hooked: Muscle Women
In this hour, we put female bodybuilders on the psychiatrist's couch (figuratively speaking) to get to the core of why they push their bodies to the limit. Many of these women are trying to overcome or overcompensate for something in their past, such as abuse or eating disorders. And "control" means obsessing over what they eat and manipulating furious exercise routines, sometimes on a daily basis.

Femphysiquefan
08-11-2008, 03:15 AM
Well, the show has come and gone. Thoughts on the show from those who saw it???

KP DIVA
08-11-2008, 03:27 AM
Well, the show has come and gone. Thoughts on the show from those who saw it???

I think it was well done....the Psychiatrist was starting to get on my nerves, however I think there was some truth to what he was saying...I agree w/ what Kristy (sp) in reference to it being an obsession to a certain extent..but I'd rather have this compared to others such as alcoholism, gambling, sex addicts/pornography, etc.

MsGuns
08-11-2008, 03:55 AM
I learned some new things about Kristy and Colette.
The doc got on my nerves.

SBT
08-11-2008, 04:00 AM
I enjoyed watching it!! ;)

AirHarp
08-11-2008, 02:20 PM
I learned some new things about Kristy and Colette.
The doc got on my nerves.

Once I understood what the show was trying to do it wasn't all bad. From what I gathered the show's premiss is to show different types of "addictions". This show would show video games as a type of "addiction" or fantasy football. The title Hooked is a sexy sounding name. If they named it something else it would draw the attention they wanted. So they have to then package the show in a way that shows how the people are "hooked" on what ever they are doing. Next week they could do a show on shopping.
All in all I think it wasn't that bad. I liked they showed the difference between drug tested and non drug tested shows. As far as the "addiction" part of it I think the average person would walk away think the ladies really weren't addicted to anything. I liked how the ladies were able to battle two diseases b/c of bbing.
The doctor was a trip. Every shot they showed of him he was walking! I was wondering if the guy had an office.
I liked it. Lets face it we all have seen worse.

MsGuns
08-11-2008, 03:07 PM
Once I understood what the show was trying to do it wasn't all bad. From what I gathered the show's premiss is to show different types of "addictions". This show would show video games as a type of "addiction" or fantasy football. The title Hooked is a sexy sounding name. If they named it something else it would draw the attention they wanted. So they have to then package the show in a way that shows how the people are "hooked" on what ever they are doing. Next week they could do a show on shopping.
All in all I think it wasn't that bad. I liked they showed the difference between drug tested and non drug tested shows. As far as the "addiction" part of it I think the average person would walk away think the ladies really weren't addicted to anything. I liked how the ladies were able to battle two diseases b/c of bbing.
The doctor was a trip. Every shot they showed of him he was walking! I was wondering if the guy had an office.I liked it. Lets face it we all have seen worse.

LOL @ the doc...
I wanna see the study...

ambydawn
08-11-2008, 03:22 PM
The doctor was really annoying me at first, but I think he summed it up pretty well right at the very end when he said that the fbbs he talked to for his study ran the spectrum from well-adjusted to completely debilitated by the sport. Really this is true of anything a person can get involved in, no?

Femphysiquefan
08-11-2008, 04:35 PM
The doctor was really annoying me at first, but I think he summed it up pretty well right at the very end when he said that the fbbs he talked to for his study ran the spectrum from well-adjusted to completely debilitated by the sport. Really this is true of anything a person can get involved in, no?

There are others who have disagreed strongly with Dr. Pope and his methodology over the years, however. For example, according to a newspaper report his study "looked at 75 female athletes who were recruited by posters at gym and bodybuilding contests in Boston, Houston, and Los Angeles." From what I am reading, therefore, in his report NO FBBs who were in off-season were even consulted: only those who were in the middle or near the end of a contest prep. It doesn't appear at least that Dr. Pope took this rather important distinction into consideration while doing his research. Also, Bill Dobbins in particular wrote a point-for-point criticism of Dr. Pope's research after the original report came out in 2000:

http://www.billdobbins.com/PUBLIC/pages/coolfree/FBB_study.html

Finally, look at the criteria for the eating "disorder" mentioned in the report known as ED/BT (Eating Disorder/Bodybuilder Type):

(1) Refusal to maintain body fat at a healthy level (defined in women as the level necessary for normal menstrual cycles to take place) accompanied by a desire to maximize muscle mass.

(2) Intense fear of gaining fat or losing muscle, even though body fat is below normal, as defined above, and degree of muscularity is far above average.

(3) Strict adherence to a rigid diet with at least 2 of the following features:

<br>(a) At least 5 meals per day, consumed on a regular schedule, for example every 3 hours.

<br>(b) Meals all consist of high-calorie, high-protein, low-fat foods or food supplements.

<br>(c) A significant amount of time and money is spent acquiring, preparing and eating these specialized meals.

(4) Disturbance in the way in which one's body composition is experienced or undue influence of body appearance on self-evaluation.

(5) Social and occupational opportunities are frequently given up because they interfere with the composition or timing of meals.

Personally, I see any attempt to immediately describe such behavior as a "disorder" is quite simply premature. Sure, it's POSSIBLE that it could be a "disorder", but at the same time it could also simply be a manifestation of the dedication possessed by an athlete that is making the sacrifices necessary to achieve excellence in her sport. Dr. James Rosen, a professor of psychology and the director of the Body Image Therapy Program at the University of Vermont in Burlington, has similarly urged caution in the interpretation of Dr. Pope's findings. In an interview he conducted with WebMD about this report, Dr. Rosen had this to say:

"A lot of researchers who study body disorders and eating disorders are unfamiliar with elite competitive athletes. The behavior may look like eating disorders, but the motivation and psychology behind them are very different.....For most of these women, rigid eating and compulsive behavior are part of the sport of bodybuilding."

I WISH that Dr. Rosen would have been consulted for this program, so that he could give some balance to what Dr. Pope was saying.

AirHarp
08-11-2008, 04:57 PM
Jeremy,
Good stuff. Basically BBers are no different than any other top level athlete. Would we say Micheal Phelps is addicted to swimming?

KP DIVA
08-11-2008, 05:08 PM
IMO, you can put a disorder label on any behavior that mainstream society doesn't understand. 50 years ago the DSM-IV had Homosexuality listed as a psychiatric disorder....do I think it is, hell NO...but typically, when the mainstream of a society doesn't understand or doesn't WANT to understand the powers at be are really quick to label it.

I agree with Harp...you can put a label on anything. Instead of saying it's just not the norm they want to classify it as an illness. They want to say a gene is now repsonsible for alcoholism, gambling, obesity, etc. I think it has alot to do w/ environment (i.e. situations, being raised in a household where a parent was an alcholic, living w/ parents who had terrible eating habits, etc). What one individual may have experienced in the past or hasn't experienced has alot to do with certain behaviors.

The study Jeremy listed above to me is a bit far fetched....I guess a diabetic should be in that category b/c they need to be watching their diet like that to remain healthy and not be insulin dependent....so if they aren't doing that, what da hell is wrong with them? I mean they could die...why aren't they monitoring their diets better? Sounds crazy, but that's being extreme!

More parents need to be monitoring their children's eating habits to prevent the fast epidemic of obesity in children that this nation is experiencing....so should we lump those parents in a category too? Should I investigate them for child abuse b/c they are setting their children up for a life of health issues...that's extreme and really taking things out of context. It doesn't warrant an all out investigation and removing the children from the home does it??

Some of what the doc was saying is true....and some of it was a bit extreme IMO.

KP DIVA
08-11-2008, 05:12 PM
Jeremy,
Good stuff. Basically BBers are no different than any other top level athlete. Would we say Micheal Phelps is addicted to swimming?

Micheal doesn't look grose and still looks "normal" to mainstream society so no, they wouldn't say he's addcited.....hell, I'm surprised the doc isn't boycotting the Olympics!!

AirHarp
08-11-2008, 05:19 PM
Yeah he looks "normal" but he does fit into the doc's def of "addict".
So I guess he is a functioning addict
:p

KP DIVA
08-11-2008, 05:23 PM
Yeah he looks "normal" but he does fit into the doc's def of "addict".
So I guess he is a functioning addict
:p

Well, the doctor could be an "addict" as well...What did he have to do to make it through medical school...how many hours of studying....I'm sure as a resident he worked 80-100hrs. a week..so I guess something is wrong with him too. No time for family, eating, exercising, etc...what's wrong with him?

Sometimes ppl are just too smart for their own good!

AJ Williams IFBB
08-11-2008, 05:35 PM
I say the same thing about the OLYMPIC ATHLETES, how many "retire" then come back. same with NFL, MLB etc... UM, BRETT FARVE? c'mon... yes, the drive and passion behind this is totally different. OUr meals are "tools" to our overall competitive success. like M. phelp's swim cap, trunks etc... what about the rituals those Olympic athletes do like certain stretches, prayers , twitches etc...
I know, if we were "average" they would find something wrong with us too. I remember 5 yrs ago when NO ONE was this fit, recycled, used cloth totes, at organic. I DID, and I was a FREAK for it... whatever
sigh... vented:banghead:

KP DIVA
08-11-2008, 05:39 PM
I say the same thing about the OLYMPIC ATHLETES, how many "retire" then come back. same with NFL, MLB etc... UM, BRETT FARVE? c'mon... yes, the drive and passion behind this is totally different. OUr meals are "tools" to our overall competitive success. like M. phelp's swim cap, trunks etc... what about the rituals those Olympic athletes do like certain stretches, prayers , twitches etc...
I know, if we were "average" they would find something wrong with us too. I remember 5 yrs ago when NO ONE was this fit, recycled, used cloth totes, at organic. I DID, and I was a FREAK for it... whatever
sigh... vented:banghead:

LOL!! I agree!!!

Femphysiquefan
08-11-2008, 05:41 PM
Micheal doesn't look grose and still looks "normal" to mainstream society so no, they wouldn't say he's addcited.....hell, I'm surprised the doc isn't boycotting the Olympics!!

Exactly, Kenyatta. Women's Gymnastics is traditionally one of the most popular sports at the Olympic Games. I remember just how excited everyone was (me included) when Keri Strug stuck that amazing one-legged landing on the vault, giving the USA a gold medal and making her an instant national sports hero. However, women gymnasts undergo a training regimen in which they, just like FBBs, have to make sacrifices when it comes to social interactions or functioning in order to achieve in their sport. Dr. Pope's own words from the show:

"In psychiatry, the magic words that we use to define the threshold of what is an illness or a disorder is if it seriously impairs social or occupational functioning, or if it causes serious subjective distress."

There you have it: one of the most popular sports in America if not the world is chock full of women suffering from a disorder!!!! Where are all the psychiatrists decrying this sport?? Let alone all women's sports in the Olympics period?? Hmmmmmm...:nuts:

Oh well, not gonna gripe anymore. Regardless of the doc, I think all three ladies did a great job giving a fair represention of the sport, and all in all it was a good show. Kim Bergman is right: it could have been MUCH worse.

ibarramedia
08-11-2008, 07:14 PM
Sure it could have been much worse but eliminating the Dr. Pope segment would have made it perfect.

ambydawn
08-11-2008, 10:12 PM
Jeremy,
Good stuff. Basically BBers are no different than any other top level athlete. Would we say Micheal Phelps is addicted to swimming?

I thought the same thing when I was watching the Olympics yesterday. One of the U.S. syncronized divers (had no idea this was a sport, but it was interesting) was talking about moving away from home as a teen to train more and how she had very few friends because of her sport. THIS to me is an obsession, but there are no specials on the obsessive behaviors of syncronized diving. You certainly don't have to look abnormal to be addicted. Would you know a sex addict by seeing them walk down the street. Hopefully not anyway... :D

AirHarp
08-11-2008, 10:55 PM
I thought the same thing when I was watching the Olympics yesterday. One of the U.S. syncronized divers (had no idea this was a sport, but it was interesting) was talking about moving away from home as a teen to train more and how she had very few friends because of her sport. THIS to me is an obsession, but there are no specials on the obsessive behaviors of syncronized diving. You certainly don't have to look abnormal to be addicted. Would you know a sex addict by seeing them walk down the street. Hopefully not anyway... :D

If I could learn how to spot them as they walk by...
What about gymnast? They almost always have to move to the same town as their coach. And their diets are worst than ours b/c they do it constantly. year round

jenscats5
08-12-2008, 01:01 AM
Great points/posts everyone!! Totally agree with Kenyatta & Jeremy.....I liked the show, but of course they had to throw that negative in, so here comes the Doc......

fitlei
08-12-2008, 03:29 AM
Personally, I thought the show was good. I liked how it showed Colette & Kristy both being feminine, dedicated and with their sig. others so that mainstream America can see that being a bodybuilder is not about a "woman looking/trying to be like a man, unsexy, freakish etc etc"

The doc's comments were irritating at times but overall I do think that bb/fig/fit are obsessions... I like to compare it to OCD lol Maybe it is a disorder... a part of me feels absolutely insane for working out/dieting/competing.... then another part of me feels like why the hell doesn't everyone work out? lol But in the bigger picture, every competitive athlete has the same tendencies... maybe even every competitive person in general. Unfortunately female bb'ng isn't as widely accepted mainstream and I think mainstream society may still be stuck in looking at women as the "homemakers, sidekicks, the lil lady, trophy wife etc etc" that it may just be completely shocking that there are women out there that are as strong as a man or even stronger... that fact alone may just shock the shit out of society that we have no choice but to be freaks lol

I wonder if they'd ever have a Hooked for men bb'ers? Would it be Hooked and be on MSNBC or would it be a sport and covered on ESPN? Just wondering :)

Kudos to Colette & Kristy for giving a great representation of the sport :awesome:

Thanks Sioux for sending me to this thread...I knew we had to cover it here somewhere ;)

Siouxcountry
08-12-2008, 03:47 AM
Kristy Hawkins:

http://kmhawkins.blogspot.com/2008/08/msnbc-and-ncb.html

So the MSNBC documentary "HOOKED: Muscle Women" featuring myself, Colette Nelson, and another female bodybuilder aired last night for the first time. I wasn't able to watch the show myself but have gotten a lot of positive feedback. It will continue to run this week so if you happen to catch it, let me know what you think. Branden said they introduced us as people first before discussing any of the things that could be viewed as negatives or stereotypes. From what I heard, the psychologist actually backed up one of the points I wanted to get across---that we ALL have insecurities when it comes to body image. It has taken me years to get to the point where, when I look in the mirror, I am overwhelming happy with what I see. How many women can say that? So it doesn't bother me when people ask, "why do you want to look like that?" because I'm proud of what I've accomplished...and yes, it does take a lot of work and dedication. Of course, it is addicting and like anything taken to the extreme, can become detrimental when it gets to the point where someone cannot be a functioning member of society. However, the show clearly showed 3 women who are not only functional, but exceptional people. And just because we don't go out drinking on the weekends, doesn't mean we don't have an active social life!

FitDancer
08-12-2008, 03:58 AM
I'm not positive when it will air Sunday evening. Be sure to check your local MSNBC Station.

It will also air Friday Aug 15th.

More info:

I tried to TIVO for Friday, Aug 15th, but its not showing up on my guide. I will keep checking for updates to the listings.

Siouxcountry
08-14-2008, 08:33 AM
Photos of people we met while producing the MSNBC documentary "Hooked: Muscle Women."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26096917/

Siouxcountry
08-14-2008, 08:40 AM
Looks like Colette Nelson recently appeared on "Verdict with Dan Abrams".

Transcript............

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26179354/