How many people here will save America and quite possibly the world by voting Ron Paul?

steve147 · #1 11-22-2011, 03:51 AM

**johnstoa** · #2 11-22-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by steve147

Thats a big call but you might be right!

How many people here will save America and quite possibly the world by voting Ron Paul?

WHAT? Surely, you are kidding!

steve147 · #3 11-22-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by johnstoa

WHAT? Surely, you are kidding!

Really? You mean someone who wants to stop wars, cut spending, feed money into healthcare and education, And most importantly he wants to spend money on America and help Americans first and others countries second.

Why would I be kidding?

steve147 · #4 11-22-2011, 02:48 PM

Interesting!

Becca Staggs · #5 11-22-2011, 05:05 PM

LOL!!! ^^ Steve, I'm not sure anyone thinks this is interesting except for you.

steve147 · #6 11-22-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Becca Staggs

LOL!!! ^^ Steve, I'm not sure anyone thinks this is interesting except for you.

You may very well be right!

This is why the world is in so much trouble today. Someone comes along who can fix all the problems we have today and most people don't even know or care about it. I care because I don't want to bring up a child in a world dominated by never ending wars and corporate greed looking for more ways to destroy people. Most of the west are in dept and cannot afford to pay the interest so this affects the next generation after us.

But here comes a real genuine American guy who is not afraid to go against the grain a demand a stop to all wars which is a big factor to American dept and he wants to spend your tax contibutions on things that matter such as health, education and the rebuilding of the economy.

If real issues like this aren't interesting then I don't know what is. Ok I had my rant, time now to go check out the latest youtube viral videos and read all hollywood gossip

**sassy69** · #7 11-22-2011, 06:35 PM

The libertarians have zero foreign policy ... that is scary. This is not 1519 and we're not isolated nations anymore.

**fbbfanatic** · #8 11-22-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by steve147

How many people here will save America and quite possibly the world by voting Ron Paul?

Does Ron Paul know he has such a big fan Down Under?

**Che** · #9 11-22-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sassy69

The libertarians have zero foreign policy ... that is scary. This is not 1519 and we're not isolated nations anymore.

yes to every word.

**HDPhysiques-Joe** · #10 11-22-2011, 07:26 PM

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How many people here will save America and quite possibly the world by voting Ron Paul?

Count me in.

Unfortunately, it will probably take at least one more election cycle, more years of devaluation of the currency ($10/gas - it's on the way, folks!), and 1-2 more major wars, couple with another 100% increase in income disparity (avg worker pay vs. avg CEO pay, for instance), before the sheeple pull their heads out of the sand and turn off TMZ, to realize that their country has been destroyed by the 2 party system that caters to the world financial elite's special interests at the expense and erosion of the middle class and our domestic manufacturing base.

Keep believing in the Bush's and Obama's of the world, and the rhetoric and lies, fools. See how much good it's done for ya.

**HDPhysiques-Joe** · #11 11-22-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Becca Staggs

LOL!!! ^^ Steve, I'm not sure anyone thinks this is interesting except for you.

Completely wrong. Roughly 20% are behind RP, especially his desire to audit the Fed and Osama BEN BERNANKE, and bring their currency ruining policies to an end.

Unfortunately, RP is given 1/10th the amount of time to speak during debates compared to the "chosen ones" by the Wall Street elite (Romney, Perry, etc...), and the mainstream media barely mentions him, in a clear effort by the establishment to make him an afterthought. But make no mistake, Americans who have woken up to the BS in this country, are solidly behind RP.... the only guy with the balls to stand up against the tyranny that's being ushered in to our country.

**HDPhysiques-Joe** · #12 11-22-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sassy69

The libertarians have zero foreign policy ... that is scary. This is not 1519 and we're not isolated nations anymore.

Wrong. The libertarians have plenty of foreign policy....... GET OUT OF OTHER NATIONS AFFAIRS THAT DON"T CONCERN US.

It's entirely flawed thinking to say they have "no foreign policy". Their foreign policy is smart.... protect American interests, fight only wars that are worth fighting. Wanting to smartly get out of Iraq, Afg, Libya, Egypt, Syria, etc... is SMART policy. We have no business interfering.

You are correct we are not isolated anymore.... which is indeed PART OF THE PROBLEM. When was America at its strongest? It was at it's strongest when we manufactured at HOME, when we had strong AMERICAN companies that supplied American JOBS. Globalism has destroyed not only the US economy, but the world economy as well, and has directly led to the massive income disparity between elite (bankers, CEOs, Oil company board members, etc...) and the average worker. Yes, the fortune 500 companies have greater profits because they now can hire cheap Asian or African labor, and the far right mega wealthy call this "strong growth of American companies".... but in reality, it's been eroding the manufacturing base of the country, eroded our tax base, exploded the number of people requiring gov't assistance, food stamps, etc...

Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot were 100% right in 1992. NAFTA and other "free trade" that extended America's global reach, DID result in a giant sucking sound of jobs leaving our country, and is DIRECTLY resposible for the mess we have today. Isolationism (not completely, but closer to it than the globalism mess we have today) would've been the right call.... yet Clinton, Bush 1&2, and Barry O, have sold out to mega corporations that contributed to their campaigns, and now we have nearly 20% in REAL unemployment, an eroded tax base which leads to massive deficits/debt, resulting in a devalued dollar, resulting in misery for everyone.

Is the country better off now, than it was prior to 1980 when de-regulation of wall street and big business began? (and really accelerated since NAFTA)..... of course not.

**johnstoa** · #13 11-22-2011, 09:38 PM

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The libertarians have zero foreign policy ... that is scary. This is not 1519 and we're not isolated nations anymore.

So I guess you believe George Bush did? Yeah, OK.

**johnstoa** · #14 11-22-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by steve147

Really? You mean someone who wants to stop wars, cut spending, feed money into healthcare and education, And most importantly he wants to spend money on America and help Americans first and others countries second.

Why would I be kidding?

Nope, not gonna bite on this one. I'm not about to turn this thread into what it would ultimately lead to. I am extremely opinionated when it comes to politics, so it is always best that I keep my comments to a minimum.

**sassy69** · #15 11-22-2011, 10:58 PM

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So I guess you believe George Bush did? Yeah, OK.

Its a basic tenet of the libertarian standpoint and scares most people about them. (http://www.lp.org/platform)

**AmberDoodle** · #16 11-23-2011, 12:39 AM

Yeah sorry, I'm pro-choice, anti-DOMA, anti-DADT (yes it's been repealed but he thought it was a fine policy), and can't really support anyone who talks about homosexuals in terms of them "impos[ing]" their relationships on others. Frankly I think most people gay or straight impose their relationships on those around them when they talk about being partnered with their loved one and want that relationship recognized by others...or when they make out in public.

So no...your version of a "saved" world is not the same as mine. Do I disagree with a lot of what is going on? Yes. But your solution will not be the same as mine.

But that is why our country is awesome. I can disagree with you, and you with me and no one will get sentenced to death for it.

**Che** · #17 11-23-2011, 01:04 AM

personally i think RP raises a lot of the right questions but has few of the right answers. also, libertarianism is interesting in theory but impractical (and by impractical i could mean batsh@t crazy) if you follow some of its major tenets through to their logical conclusions and practical applications. like alexandra though, i'm not getting too sucked into this one here

**RedOne** · #18 11-23-2011, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AmberDoodle

Yeah sorry, I'm pro-choice, anti-DOMA, anti-DADT (yes it's been repealed but he thought it was a fine policy), and can't really support anyone who talks about homosexuals in terms of them "impos[ing]" their relationships on others. Frankly I think most people gay or straight impose their relationships on those around them when they talk about being partnered with their loved one and want that relationship recognized by others...or when they make out in public.

So no...your version of a "saved" world is not the same as mine. Do I disagree with a lot of what is going on? Yes. But your solution will not be the same as mine.

But that is why our country is awesome. I can disagree with you, and you with me and no one will get sentenced to death for it.

well stated!

**Che** · #19 11-23-2011, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AmberDoodle

Yeah sorry, I'm pro-choice, anti-DOMA, anti-DADT (yes it's been repealed but he thought it was a fine policy), and can't really support anyone who talks about homosexuals in terms of them "impos[ing]" their relationships on others. Frankly I think most people gay or straight impose their relationships on those around them when they talk about being partnered with their loved one and want that relationship recognized by others...or when they make out in public.

So no...your version of a "saved" world is not the same as mine. Do I disagree with a lot of what is going on? Yes. But your solution will not be the same as mine.

But that is why our country is awesome. I can disagree with you, and you with me and no one will get sentenced to death for it.

Love.

**johnstoa** · #20 11-23-2011, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cjd2480

personally i think RP raises a lot of the right questions but has few of the right answers. also, libertarianism is interesting in theory but impractical (and by impractical i could mean batsh@t crazy) if you follow some of its major tenets through to their logical conclusions and practical applications. like alexandra though, i'm not getting too sucked into this one here

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